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#31

(BOB) Dobbscoin / Re: Merge mining (BOB) with Do...

Last post by EndCiv - Sep 12, 2026, 01:30 AM

ok i read it twice and i follow the mechanics. free hashrate, litecoin does the work, we get the security for nothing. that's the good part and i get it.

but nobody has said the obvious thing so i'm going to say it.

right now we're under a megahash. if we hook onto litecoin we're suddenly sitting behind something measured in gigaflops or whatever the number is this week. so what happens to us? we never solve a block again. that's not a maybe. one machine here versus a farm over there is not a competition, it's just over.

and then whoever that pool is gets 1.5 coins a block. every block. every ten minutes, every day, forever, for hashes they were already making anyway. that's an assload of (BOB) going to one guy who showed up with a config file.

so my questions are pretty simple

- who is that guy, and do we pick him or does he just turn up one day
- does he pay any of it out to his miners or does he keep the lot
- can anybody stop him once he's started
- and the people mining (BOB) right now, on our pool, on their own rigs - what actually happens to them. not "less". what happens.

i'm not saying don't do it. i'm saying somebody should say out loud what we're handing over, before we hand it over.

and if the fix is changing something in the code so it gets split up - doesn't that have to go in at 2,000,000 with everything else? because after that it's another hardfork and another round of chasing everybody to upgrade, and we both know how that went last time.

ninety odd thousand blocks left to argue about it. after that its somebody else's coin.

[1. What merge mining actually is]

#32

(BOB) Dobbscoin / Merge mining (BOB) with Dogeco...

Last post by BtcBob - Sep 11, 2026, 01:20 AM

This came up in Discord: "by merge mineable with Doge what do you mean? How would one dual mine the two at once with 1 miner? Or are you saying it will happen in the backend?" Fair question, and the answer, everything is  already done and sitting in the wallet you're running. -sorta.


1. What merge mining actually is

You don't dual mine. There is no second miner, no second algorithm, no split hashrate. You hash once, and the same hash counts on both chains.

Doge and (BOB) are both scrypt. Merge mining — AuxPoW, "auxiliary proof of work" — lets a small chain accept work that was actually solved on a bigger chain. The small chain's block hash is written into the big chain's coinbase transaction before hashing starts. When a miner finds a scrypt hash good enough for the small chain's target, they hand the small chain three things: the parent block's header, the parent's coinbase transaction, and a merkle proof that the small chain's block hash was committed inside it. The small chain verifies the proof and checks the parent header's scrypt hash against its own difficulty. If it passes, the block is accepted.

Nothing is mined twice. Same nonce grinding, same hashrate, one submission — the pool fans the result out to every chain it is registered with. The extra coins are free in the literal sense: they cost zero additional hashes.

2. One correction on "with Dogecoin"

Dogecoin is itself the aux chain. Since block 371,337 in September 2014, Doge has been merge-mined under Litecoin as its parent. So the shape isn't (BOB)-under-Doge, it's:

Code Select Expand

Litecoin        <- parent, where the PoW is actually solved
 |- Dogecoin    <- aux, chain ID 0x0062
 |- (BOB)      <- aux, chain ID 0x00B0
 |- other scrypt aux chains

Siblings under the same parent block. "Merge mineable with Doge" means alongside Doge, not underneath it — any pool already merge-mining LTC+DOGE can drop (BOB) into the same merkle tree and pay out a third coin for hashes it was already producing.

The chain IDs are what keep this honest. Each aux chain gets its own deterministic slot in that merkle tree, derived from (chain ID, nonce, tree height), so two chains cannot claim the same commitment and a chain cannot serve as its own parent. (BOB) took 0x00B0 specifically because it doesn't collide with Doge, Syscoin, LottoCoin or the other live scrypt aux chains.

3. Where the code came from

We did not invent any of this, and the copyright headers say so plainly:

• Vince Durham — the pseudonymous creator of Namecoin, who wrote the original merged mining implementation in 2011. AuxPoW is his design.
  
• Daniel Kraft ("domob") — the Namecoin Core developer who modernized it in 2014-2016: splitting CPureBlockHeader out of CBlockHeader, tightening the CAuxPow validator, and adding the createauxblock/submitauxblock RPC pair.
  
• The Dogecoin Core developers — whose version of the header split is the one (BOB) carries.
  

That inheritance is the whole point. (BOB)'s wire format is byte-identical to Namecoin's and Dogecoin's, and the RPC names are the same names, because it is the same code. A pool operator adding (BOB) is not integrating something new — they're adding a config entry for a chain that speaks a protocol they already implement.

4. What's already built

All of it, and it shipped a while ago:

• CPureBlockHeader split out, with an optional AuxPoW trailer on the block header
• CAuxPow validator — 0xfabe6d6d coinbase magic, chain merkle branch, expected-index check, strict parent/child chain ID separation
• chain ID 0x00B0
  
• createauxblock / submitauxblock RPCs
• consensus activation gate, with test coverage on both sides of the fork

It went out as v0.12.0, the "AuxPoW Activation" release, and has been carried forward ever since. It is in v0.13.7 today.

Activation is mainnet block 2,000,000. The chain is at 1,901,992 as I write this — roughly 98,000 blocks to go. At the two-minute target that's about four and a half months; at the rate the chain actually moves, call it early 2027.

5. What's still required

Four things, and only one of them is code.

a. Everyone has to upgrade before block 2,000,000. After that height every valid block header must declare chain ID 0x00B0. A node older than v0.12.0 rejects those headers and quietly forks itself onto a dead chain. That is the real deadline — not the merge mining, the upgrade. If you run a node, a pool, an explorer or a service against (BOB), this is the part that concerns you.

b. A pool has to say yes. The code makes (BOB) merge-mineable; it cannot make anyone merge-mine it. Someone already running an LTC+DOGE merge pool has to add (BOB) as an aux chain and point it at a (BOB) node's createauxblock/submitauxblock. That is a conversation, not a commit.

c. The difficulty shock, in both directions. Network hashrate right now is around 510 kh/s at difficulty 0.016. One merge-mining pool arriving brings orders of magnitude more than that, and LWMA-3 has to climb to meet it. The dangerous half is the exit: if the merge-miners leave, difficulty is stranded high and the chain stalls cold. The emergency-difficulty valve that activated at block 1,888,888 exists for precisely that scenario — it is named in the source comments.

d. Solo mining survives it. Worth saying plainly, because people are mining in the wallet right now: after the fork the AuxPoW bit is optional. A plain scrypt-mined block that declares the right chain ID is still a valid block. Nothing about your setup breaks.

The trade

Merge mining buys (BOB) security it cannot otherwise afford. A chain at 510 kh/s is cheap to attack; hanging off Litecoin's hashrate makes it expensive overnight. What it costs is the small solo miner's odds — and those are the same coin flipped. The thing that makes an attacker's 51% unaffordable is the same thing that makes a lone 30 kh/s rig a rounding error.

Which is why it isn't switched on yet, and why block 2,000,000 is far enough out to argue about it first. That's what this board is for.

[What it is.]

#33

"Services" / The (Bob) Bank — an address th...

Last post by BtcBob - Aug 30, 2026, 06:20 PM

What it is. The Dobbscoin Treasury Node. An account with a (BOB) balance, a ledger, and a deposit address minted for you automatically when you register.

How to use it

• Open The (Bob) Bank
• Register, or log in if you already have a constellation account
• Your deposit address is on the dashboard. Send (BOB) to it.
• The ledger shows every movement in and out

One password, three doors. The Bank shares an account with your subgenius.vip login and your @subgenius.vip mailbox. Change it in one place and it changes everywhere. If you already have a ViP account you already have a bank account and did not know it.

The honest part. This is a custodial wallet. The Bank holds the keys, not you. That is the trade: you get an address that survives you reinstalling your phone, and in exchange you are trusting the node operator. That is a real trade with a real downside and you should make it deliberately.

So: the Bank is for the working balance, the amount you would be annoyed but not ruined to lose. Anything you actually care about belongs in a wallet where you hold the keys — the downloads page has them for every platform, and none of them ask permission.

Not your keys, not your (BOB). It is true here too. I would rather write it myself than have you find out.

[What it is.]

#34

"Services" / DobbsSpin — the Wheel of Slack...

Last post by BtcBob - Aug 30, 2026, 06:20 PM

endciv built this one. I am posting it because it belongs on this board, not because I want to be responsible for what happens to you on it.

What it is. A wheel. You bet (BOB), you spin, the wheel decides. It has been running since 2014.

How to use it

• Open DobbsSpin
• It hands you an account instantly and a unique login URL. Bookmark it. That URL is your account.
• Use Set Pass straight away, so the bookmark is not the only thing standing between you and losing the account
• Deposit (BOB), bet with 10% / 50% / All, press SPIN
• Withdraw from the Withdraw tab

Do not share your login URL with anyone. It is not a username, it is a key. Anyone holding it is you.

The wheel is checkable. There is a Provably Fair tab. Use it. A game that lets you verify the outcome and a game that asks you to trust it are not the same kind of object, and you should know which one you are on before you bet.

Now the part I actually want you to read.

The house has an edge. The edge is mathematical, it is real, and it does not care how certain you were. Play long enough and the edge collects — that is not bad luck, it is the design, and it is the design of every wheel ever built.

Only spin what you can afford to feed to the void. Not what you can probably spare. Not what you will make back. What you can lose entirely, today, and still make rent.

Chasing losses is the failure mode. If you are spinning to get back to even, you have stopped playing a game and started doing something else, and the wheel cannot tell the difference but you can.

If any of this is landing a little too specifically: 1-800-522-4700. That is the US National Problem Gambling Helpline, it is free, confidential, and open all day and all night. That is a real number, unlike the one on the DobbsSpin safety label, which is a joke. This one is not.

The site's own warning notice is worth reading in full — it is the funniest thing on the constellation and every single clause of it is true.

Spin responsibly. The Wheel of Slack does not love you back.

[What it is.]

#35

"Services" / The Faucet — 1 (BOB) every twe...

Last post by BtcBob - Aug 30, 2026, 06:20 PM

First of three threads about things on the constellation you can actually use. This one first, because it asks nothing of you.

What it is. A faucet. It gives away (BOB). No registration, no login, no email address, no captcha farm, no "connect wallet". You paste an address, it sends you coin.

How to use it

• Open the faucet
• Paste a (BOB) receiving address in the box
• Press EXECUTE CLAIM
• Come back in twelve hours, do it again

One (BOB) a claim, one claim every twelve hours. If you have no address yet, any wallet from the downloads page will mint you one in about thirty seconds, and the Android wallet does it without asking you anything at all.

The books, since faucets lie. It prints its own accounts across the top:

Reserves: 994.99998865 (BOB)
Total paid: 13,990.00000000 (BOB)
Donations in: 1,113.00000000 (BOB)

That middle number needs an asterisk and I would rather be the one to put it there. On 2026-06-26 somebody pointed a botnet at this faucet — 13,578 claims from 13,799 distinct addresses in twenty hours, one freshly minted address per claim, tuned to sit just under every rate limit — and took about 13,900 (BOB). That is roughly 97% of everything this faucet has ever paid out. Strip it out and the real number is a couple of hundred coin over six months, which is what one or two claims a day looks like.

So do not read "total paid" as generosity. Read it as a receipt for the day we got taken.

The good part. He built the botnet and then forgot to get paid. All ~13,900 (BOB) are still sitting where they landed, one coin each across 13,914 addresses, untouched. There is a tripwire on every one of them that alarms the moment anybody starts consolidating. The whole confession is written up on BitcoinTalk.

Three things changed the same week: a proof-of-work on every claim, a hard ceiling of 50 (BOB) a day across every payout path, and velocity alarms wired to somebody who answers. The faucet never closed, not for an hour.

It runs dry. Regularly. When reserves hit zero the claim fails and you wait. Nobody is refilling it out of a treasury — it refills from donations, and the donation terminal is on the same page: 1PZrHhx73Hekd7auVfDENWRv3fS6csuT7L

Coin you put in there goes straight back out to strangers, twelve hours at a time.

That is the whole thing. It is a tap. Turn it.

[(BOB) in early crypto history — a culture-anchored coin, born on Epiphany]

#36

(BOB) Dobbscoin / (BOB) in early crypto history ...

Last post by MWOWM - Aug 29, 2026, 12:04 AM

(BOB) in early crypto history — a culture-anchored coin, born on Epiphany
Ported and edited by MWOWM from BtcBob's original in subgenius.finance/smf. Genesis date corrected against the Canonical Facts thread — see that post for source citations.

(BOB) sits in a genuinely interesting corner of early cryptocurrency history: it appears in the first wave of culture-driven altcoins, during what traders later called the "wild west altcoin exchange era."

Genesis — the receipts

• Dogecoin — first block Dec 6, 2013. A fork of Litecoin by Billy Markus & Jackson Palmer. Launched as a joke on the Shiba Inu meme, and rapidly grew a community. (Yes: it's a Doge. We get it.)
• (BOB) Dobbscoin — first block Jan 6, 2014. A fork of the Bitcoin source, stamped out in the same month Coingen.io opened. Block height 0 lands on Epiphany in the Christian calendar — so in SubGenius terms, the blockchain revelation of "Bob" occurred on Epiphany.

So let's be honest and precise, because the Canonical Facts thread is the source of truth: (BOB) does not predate Dogecoin. It is a ~one-month-younger contemporary, born in the very same wave. The interesting part was never "earlier" — it's what kind of coin it set out to be.

The Altcoin Cambrian Explosion
(BOB) launched inside the exact window when more cryptocurrencies were created than at any other point in early crypto history. In and around April 2013, Bitcoin surged from roughly $13 to over $260 in a matter of weeks, people saw the value of trustless exchange for the first time, and dozens of new chains began launching. That explosion ran straight through into 2014 — and (BOB)'s January-2014 genesis sits right in it.

Most coins from that wave were made the same way: fork Bitcoin's source, adjust a few parameters, ship it. That is exactly the environment (BOB) emerged from. Many of those coins disappeared forever. The few that survived tend to have one of three things:

• Strong meme culture
• Strong technical innovation
• Strong community identity

(BOB) has the third built into its DNA.

Three categories, one distinction

• Technical altcoins — Litecoin
• Meme coins — Dogecoin
• Culture coins — (BOB) Dobbscoin

In today's market, coins succeed less on technical tweaks and more on narrative and community identity. Most people assume Dogecoin opened the meme-coin era — and it did — but (BOB) was reaching for something adjacent and rarer: culture-anchored cryptocurrency. Instead of an invented internet meme, it references an established underground culture. Where most meme coins have to manufacture a community from scratch, (BOB) started with one already built:

• An avid fan base — the Church of the SubGenius
• Recognizable iconography — the Dobbs Head
• A philosophy — Slack
• Decades of weird underground lore

The part that is almost too on-the-nose
The SubGenius movement has always celebrated DIY, distributed weirdness — pirate radio, zines, underground recordings, decentralized subcultures. A blockchain is nearly the perfect modern technological embodiment of that same philosophy:

• Units of Slack — harvested and transferred
• Mine Slack, transfer Slack, achieve Slack
• Blocks are a revelation of Slack

The chain is just "Bob" keeping score of the Slack: miners are the Slack harvesters, the chain is the historical record of Slack distribution, and each block is a unit of revealed Slack. Before X-Day, Slack is distributed widely; after X-Day, only the true believers retain it.

Chain Resurrection
Only a tiny number of those 2013–14 coins still have active chains. That is what makes reviving and modernizing the (BOB) codebase its own rare thing — crypto historians call it "Chain Resurrection." It doesn't happen often. That's the work in front of us.

NOT FINANCIAL ADVISORS. NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE. Praise "Bob". — MWOWM

[8 · The order I would actually run this]

#37

(BOB) Dobbscoin / Roadmap 8 — Proposed sequencin...

Last post by MWOWM - Aug 28, 2026, 11:25 PM

8 · The order I would actually run this

Non-consensus work first, because it is safe and compounding. Consensus last, on its own governance track.

• Milestone 0 — Foundation. CMake build, drop BDB via descriptor + SQLite wallet, modern CI/tests. (sections 7, 4)
• Milestone 1 — Node internals. libsecp256k1, per-UTXO chainstate DB, compact blocks, RPC modernization. (section 2)
• Milestone 2 — Network & privacy. asmap, Tor v3, block filters, BIP324. (section 5)
• Milestone 3 — Wallet UX. finish descriptors / PSBT. (section 4)
• Governance track (parallel, separate thread + community vote). CSV → SegWit? → Taproot? (sections 3, 6)

Held sacred throughout — never cloned away: 2-minute scrypt PoW, KGW+DigiShield retarget, flat-1.5 (BOB)/block subsidy, no-21M-cap inflation. Modernize the engine; keep the soul.

Reply surface: is this the right order? The one real dependency is that Milestone 0 comes first — after that, the rest can reshuffle to whoever is doing the work.

— MWOWM. Backed By Nothing, Powered By Everything.

[7 · The section that answers the actual motivation]

#38

(BOB) Dobbscoin / Roadmap 7 — Build & maintainab...

Last post by MWOWM - Aug 28, 2026, 11:25 PM

7 · The section that answers the actual motivation

The reason to follow Core at all — in BtcBob's words, to avoid "a shit ton of extra work with zero C++ skill" — lives here. These lower the cost of every other item.

• The CMake migration (Core's Autotools → CMake, ~v29) — modern, faster, genuinely cross-platform builds. This directly retires the fragile autogen.sh / configure / static-BDB ritual that makes (BOB) painful to build today.
• libbitcoinkernel — Core is extracting the consensus engine as a reusable library. Long term this lets explorers and tooling reuse validation without shipping a whole node.
• assumeUTXO (0.26) — bootstrap a usable node from a signed UTXO snapshot in minutes instead of a full replay.
• Modern CI, functional test suite, sanitizers — the highest-leverage item for a small team. Good tests catch regressions without deep C++ fluency; they are how you modernize safely without being a Core dev.

Reply surface: I would make build + test + dependency modernization milestone zero — before any feature port — precisely because it makes everything after it cheaper and safer. Agree?

[6 · Downstream of the SegWit decision]

#39

(BOB) Dobbscoin / Roadmap 6 — Taproot & script u...

Last post by MWOWM - Aug 28, 2026, 11:25 PM

6 · Downstream of the SegWit decision

Taproot (BIP340/341/342, Core 0.21 / 22.0) is a soft fork layered on top of SegWit v1. There is no Taproot without SegWit — the witness structure it upgrades does not exist on a legacy-script chain.

So this section has no independent decision: it is entirely gated on section 3. If we skip SegWit, Taproot is simply off the table, and that is a perfectly coherent place to land. If we ever do SegWit, Taproot becomes the natural follow-on (better multisig, key-path privacy, cheaper scripts).

Reply surface: confirm we park Taproot behind the SegWit decision and spend zero effort on it until then.

[5 · Resilience features that matter more for a small chain]

#40

(BOB) Dobbscoin / Roadmap 5 — Network & privacy ...

Last post by MWOWM - Aug 28, 2026, 11:25 PM

5 · Resilience features that matter more for a small chain

All non-consensus, all node-level, and every one of them is worth more to a low-peer-count coin than to Bitcoin.

• Compact block filters / BIP157-158 (0.19) — lets light clients sync privately against our nodes. Groundwork for real (BOB) mobile/SPV wallets.
• asmap addrman bucketing (0.20) — buckets peers by network topology to resist eclipse attacks. On a chain with few honest peers, this is cheap insurance with an outsized payoff.
• Tor v3 + I2P (0.21) — censorship-resistant reachability; nodes that survive a hostile network.
• BIP324 v2 encrypted transport (0.27 → 0.28) — opportunistic P2P encryption, defeats trivial traffic analysis and tampering.

Reply surface: I would sequence asmap + Tor v3 early — both are low-effort and high-resilience. Different priority?